Dear 'Succession' fans, we need to talk about Shiv Roy in that series finale (2024)

HBO's Succession ended a four-season run on Sunday night. And Siobhan Roy's final choice, which determined the fate of her father's empire, exemplifies what the show has been best at, and what its devotees love about it.

Note: We're about to talk about the Succession finale and its fallout, so if you haven't watched it and you plan to, this is where you can hop off the train.

Who is she? One last time before the show fades out: Siobhan Roy, played by Sarah Snook, is the youngest child and only daughter of the media mogul Logan Roy, played by Brian Cox, who died in the third episode of the final season. She goes by "Shiv," and if your first thought is, "Shiv, like the knife?" the answer is, "Yes, exactly like the knife."

  • She has been married for a year-ish to Tom Wambsgans (Matthew Macfadyen), a Minnesotan striver so pliable that he once literally volunteered to go to prison (and drink toilet wine!) to take heat off her family.
  • Shiv is pregnant with Tom's baby, conceived just before their marriage collapsed, as Shiv softly cooed to him, "I don't love you."
  • At the last possible minute, Shiv voted to let her family's company be sold to Swedish tech weirdo Lukas Matsson (Alexander Skarsgård), who handed the CEO position to Tom. This dealt a devastating blow to her older brother Kendall (Jeremy Strong), who has only ever wanted to be CEO (and maybe become a rapper).

What's the big deal? Narratively, Succession was about whether any of the Roy children could escape their father's legacy as a terrible parent who made them into what his oldest son, Connor (Alan Ruck), once called "needy love sponges." (Answer: No. Needy love sponges 4-ever!) But Shiv's big move is what the show was about as a television event.

  • Succession belongs to the era of HBO prestige dramas that has lasted for roughly 25 years, give or take. Those dramas rose at the same time as online discussions of TV, episode recaps, and the expansion of TV criticism.
  • There's no obvious successor, as it were, to Succession. HBO is in the middle of fussing with its brand, the writers guild is on strike, actors and directors might follow, and some of the biggest shows HBO has now, including The Last Of Us and House of the Dragon, are based on things that already exist, rather than being entirely new stories the way this was.
  • Even though Shiv's choice wasn't a shock on the level of the unexpected cut to black at the end of The Sopranos, it's similar in that there are lots of interpretations, and the show isn't going to tip which one is right.

Can't get enough? Listen to the Pop Culture Happy Hour full recap of the Succession finale.

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Choices were made.

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What are people saying?

Because Shiv knew that Matsson, the aforementioned tech weirdo who bought the company, would appoint Tom as CEO, there are lots of ways to read her choice and her accompanying announcement to Kendall that she just didn't think he'd do a good job.

  • Was she just honestly convinced that Kendall would be a terrible CEO? Rolling Stone's Alan Sepinwall says, "She gets no personal benefit from this vote, nor from explaining to Kendall why she is going that way. The only reason to say this is because she believes it."
  • Was she thinking about her child's future, believing the company would be more stable being owned by Matsson and run by Tom than owned and run by her brothers?

It isn't a matter of financial security. She also has to think of what's best for her child, not just for herself.

— jenaj (@jenaj3) May 29, 2023
  • Was she pushed over the line by Kendall's behavior when she stepped out of the board meeting to think and Kendall followed and hounded her, then got into a physical fight in a glass-walled office?

I think watching him grandstand in the room was making her realize she would be pushed out and he dug his own grave in the conference room with her and Roman. You can’t make a guy like that head of anything. The way he lied about the waiter…

— Gabby Revilla Lugo 🇳🇮 (@gabbyrevlugo) May 29, 2023
  • Was she thinking about her own position and her own security?

Mattson essentially passed her over for being too strong willed, too full of ideas, and being a woman. whether or not she deserved it in the grand sense, he definitely should have honored their deal

— Adam Sternbergh (@sternbergh) May 29, 2023

So, which one is it?

  • The point isn't that any one of these takes is right. The point is that to understand the way this great drama works is to understand that there are a hundred ways to think about Shiv: As a woman boxed in by misogyny; as an operator out of options; as a scheming Lady Macbeth; as an impetuous egocentric who couldn't stand to be beaten; or as a woman who was raised to be a needy love sponge and saw a tiny bit more love coming from her husband than her brothers. None are entirely right, all are a little bit right, it really doesn't matter.
  • The point is that the show's position was secured by the ripeness for analysis. And in this case, it's even more tantalizing, because creator Jesse Armstrong is doing almost no press, likely because of the writers' strike. So whatever postmortems you might get that would suggest that this or that answer is "right," they're not forthcoming. We are left with Shiv Roy — literally "Queen of the Knife" — and the choice she made.

Learn more:

  • 'Succession' has ended — and the point was never who was going to win
  • Pop Culture Happy Hour recaps the 'Succession' finale
  • How composer Nicholas Britell created the sound of 'Succession'
Dear 'Succession' fans, we need to talk about Shiv Roy in that series finale (2024)

FAQs

Why did Shiv gain so much weight? ›

The reason behind Shiv Roy's weight gain

But in seasons 3 and 4 of the TV series Succession, she was so out of shape, which made viewers curious. So, what was the reason behind Sarah Snook's weight gain? Surprisingly, Sarah Snook was pregnant in parts of seasons 3 and 4 of Success, and this made her add weight.

Why did Shiv vote against Kendall? ›

Succession's Sarah Snook explains the reason for Shiv's pivotal vote in series finale. Snook says Shiv did not appreciate seeing Kendall put his feet up on Logan Roy's desk. Feet. Oh sure, they're useful for walking around on, but they can also get you into a lot of trouble.

Why did Roman smile at the end of Succession? ›

In the final scene, "the one thing he does have is a smattering of self-knowledge, and I think that self-knowledge recognizes the pointlessness, and it drifts out in that ambiguous, grimace-soaked smile that we see in the character in the end."

Who is the father of Shiv Roy's baby? ›

Shiv is pregnant with Tom's baby, conceived just before their marriage collapsed, as Shiv softly cooed to him, "I don't love you." At the last possible minute, Shiv voted to let her family's company be sold to Swedish tech weirdo Lukas Matsson (Alexander Skarsgård), who handed the CEO position to Tom.

Is Shiv pregnant in real life? ›

Meanwhile, Shiv is pregnant with a new addition to the next generation of Roys, adding another layer of meaning to the word "succession." Actor Snook is pregnant in real life and is expecting her first child with husband Dave Lawson, whom she married in 2021.

Why does Shiv look so different in season 2? ›

The Big Picture. Shiv evolves her wardrobe from modest tones to powerful neutrals in Succession Season 2, reflecting her shift in career ambitions. Shiv sharpens her style by embracing a sophisticated bob haircut, aligning with the powerful women surrounding Logan Roy.

What did Roman say about Kendall's kids? ›

It was previously theorized that both of Kendall's children were adopted, but in the Succession finale, Roman reveals that only one of them was adopted. The other was conceived via a sperm donor.

Why did Shiv change her mind last minute? ›

Shiv's decision wasn't "calculated" and doesn't have "anything to do with helping Tom," Matthew Macfadyen, who plays Tom, told Variety. Instead, "it's just that she can't stomach her brother," and the moment of truth comes when she sees Kendall deliver his speech to the board right before the vote.

Why is Shiv betraying her brothers? ›

Shiv Acted Out Of Instinct Thanks To A Sibling Rivalry

Speaking to Variety after the season finale, Sarah Snook broke down Shiv's last-minute change of heart that sealed the fate of her brother, Kendall, who thinks he has her vote in the end. I think it's just pure instinct.

What is the sad quote from Succession? ›

I just wonder if the sad I'd be without you is less than the sad I get from being with you.” —Tom.

Why does Roman love Gerri? ›

Roman assesses Gerri as a talented yet invisible worker, who could develop master plans behind the closed doors, while he could be in the front, executing her brilliant ideas. Roman says he sees them as a chairperson and a CEO.

Why did Roman freak out when he saw Gerri? ›

Through Gerri, Roman sees all the mistakes he's made this season — mistakes he thought would be validated as soon as he was CEO. And despite his denial of it, Roman actually cares what Gerri thinks of him and doesn't want to look weak or wrong in front of her.

Who is Connor Roy's dad? ›

Logan Roy. Logan Roy is the billionaire founder of media and entertainment conglomerate Waystar RoyCo. He is a brash leader whose primary focus was his company rather than his four children Connor, Kendall, Roman and Siobhan. Logan was born in 1938, to abject poverty in Dundee, Scotland.

Does Shiv really love Tom? ›

[Warning: The following contains spoilers for the Season 4 premiere of Succession, "The Munsters." Read at your own risk!]

What happens to Greg in Succession? ›

In the end, Tom keeps Greg around, despite the fact that he sold him out by telling Kendall about Matsson's plan to ditch Shiv. Tom tells Greg, “I got you,” and puts that purple sticker on his forehead. The same sticker that was being used to divide up Logan's things.

Why is Harnaaz gaining so much weight? ›

Harnaaz Sandhu said her weight gain after she won Miss Universe led to unexpected 'bullying. ' Harnaaz broke her silence on these comments in April and revealed that she has also been diagnosed with celiac disease due to which she can't eat wheat flour and many other things.

Is Shiv pregnant with Tom's baby? ›

In the finale, Tom is crowned the new CEO of Waystar Royco, and Shiv is carrying their baby. This is the true function of Shiv's pregnancy in Succession.

How many weeks is Shiv pregnant? ›

After Logan's death, we see Shiv's doctor informing her that the results of the amniocentesis are encouraging and we learn that she's less than 20 weeks pregnant. It is the day after her father's death, so a muted reaction seems appropriate, but Shiv shows no happiness, or even relief, when given this news.

Did Shiv lose the baby when she fell? ›

(For the record, it's likely the baby is almost definitely safe — Shiv turns her body to the side mid-fall, so she doesn't actually make contact with the floor in a way that would impact her stomach.)

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